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Postby BrooklynBilly » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:33 am

Once again they delay implementation of an important aspect of the laughably titled Affordable Care Act. Maybe they should have read it before they signed it into law, it had disaster written all over it.

From today's IBD:

White House's ObamaCare Delay Confirms Law Is A Mess

Posted 08/13/2013 06:26 PM ET


ObamaCare: Confirming again that its reform is a disaster, the White House has stopped yet another provision of the law before it can take effect. This time it's caps placed on patients' out-of-pocket expenses.

The delay was authorized in February, but had gone unnoticed, the New York Times reported Tuesday, because it "was obscured in a maze of legal and bureaucratic language that went largely unnoticed" on the Labor Department's website.

Department officials confirmed its existence only when asked about it. So much for open government.

The caps, which were supposed to be a "consumer protection" provision of ObamaCare, limit the amount patients can spend through co-payments and deductibles before health insurance kicks in: $6,350 for individual policies, $12,700 for family plans.

They were to be enforced beginning in 2014 but now have been delayed for a year. The administration decided that insurers and employers didn't have enough time to deal with the provision.

So, like a monarch who exercises absolute power, the administration, which has no constitutional authority to write or change laws, delayed the deadline.

Because it felt like it.

The White House made a similar decision in July when it postponed for a year the job-killing mandate requiring employers with 50 or more workers to insure them. The reason given was, of course, that businesses needed more time to get ready.

But one Democrat, Rep. Kurt Schrader of Oregon, said he was suspicious that the change was made due to "political motivations." Clearly, the administration knew that ObamaCare was being revealed for the hash that it is and wanted to wait until after the 2014 elections to implement the employer mandate.

Tuesday's revelation that the White House had granted a similar delay is confirmation that it knows, though will never publicly admit, that ObamaCare is hopelessly flawed. Well-constructed legislation does not need to be continuously "amended" by executive fiat.

It should not have to be read to find out what's in it, nor be so complex that a bureaucracy as big as Washington's cannot get a handle on it.

Neither is good law filled with surprises, more of which are surely to come in the case of Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Many of its effects, though, are quite predictable.

Costs will rise.

Quality of care will decline.

Americans will be spending more time in waiting rooms and less time with their doctors.

Innovations in life-enhancing and life-saving medical technology will drop off.

There is no trade-off. No benefits of ObamaCare exist to offset its harmful consequences. It has the distinction of being a well-rounded tragedy.

There are so many flaws that the White House can't possibly avoid them all.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby Marie » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:52 am

BrooklynBilly wrote:Once again they delay implementation of an important aspect of the laughably titled Affordable Care Act.

Once again Billy fails to provide a link to his screed. #AshamedOfPropagandaSource

PS, the nonspecific subject line is a tipoff that this is propaganda.

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Re: Obamacare

Postby Marie » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:09 pm

An example of what the editors consider funny -- today's IBD editorial cartoon:

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby proudliberal » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:07 pm

Marie wrote:An example of what the editors consider funny -- today's IBD editorial cartoon:

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Not exactly the most objective news source in the world. :roll:
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Re: Obamacare

Postby Marie » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:10 pm

proudliberal wrote:Not exactly the most objective news source in the world. :roll:

Yeah, you can understand why Billy tried to hide it.

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby proudliberal » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:19 pm

Marie wrote:
proudliberal wrote:Not exactly the most objective news source in the world. :roll:

Yeah, you can understand why Billy tried to hide it.

-Marie-


Typical right-wing tactic: only tell people what you want them to know or think, and hide the rest so they won't learn the whole truth.

Nobody fooled, Billy!
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Re: Obamacare

Postby Marie » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:17 pm

proudliberal wrote:
Marie wrote:
proudliberal wrote:Not exactly the most objective news source in the world. :roll:

Yeah, you can understand why Billy tried to hide it.

Typical right-wing tactic: only tell people what you want them to know or think, and hide the rest so they won't learn the whole truth.

Nobody fooled, Billy!

Nobody fooled indeed!

It was so easy to discover where he filched that screed from: just google the title and there you are!

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby BrooklynBilly » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:04 pm

proudliberal wrote:
Marie wrote:
proudliberal wrote:Not exactly the most objective news source in the world. :roll:

Yeah, you can understand why Billy tried to hide it.

-Marie-


Typical right-wing tactic: only tell people what you want them to know or think, and hide the rest so they won't learn the whole truth.

Nobody fooled, Billy!



Um..... From today's IBD:

No one seems to be able to refute any of the points made in the editorial, as usual it's demean the source.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby proudliberal » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:07 pm

Billy, no one is refuting the so-called "points" because they're nothing more than right-wing propaganda. We're smart enough not to waste our time on that crap.

Again, nobody fooled!
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Re: Obamacare

Postby The Icy Commander » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:48 pm

Anyone see this ?


NBC NEWS investigations

Businesses claim Obamacare has forced them to cut employee hours

By Lisa Myers and Carroll Ann Mears
NBC News

Employers around the country, from fast-food franchises to colleges, have told NBC News that they will be cutting workers’ hours below 30 a week because they can’t afford to offer the health insurance mandated by the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

“To tell somebody that you’ve got to decrease their hours because of a law passed in Washington is very frustrating to me,” said Loren Goodridge, who owns 21 Subway franchises, including a restaurant in Kennebunk. “I know the impact I’m having on some of my employees.”

Goodridge said he’s cutting the hours of 50 workers to no more than 29 a week so he won’t trigger the provision in the new health care law that requires employers to offer coverage to employees who work 30 hours or more per week. The provision takes effect in 16 months.


Luke Perfect, who has worked at Goodridge’s Kennebunk Subway for more than a decade, said it was “horrible” to learn he was among the employees whose hours would be limited, and that it would be a financial hardship. “I’m barely scraping by with overtime,” he said.

The White House dismisses such examples as "anecdotal." Jason Furman, chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisors, said, “We are seeing no systematic evidence that the Affordable Care Act is having an adverse impact on job growth or the number of hours employees are working. … [S]ince the ACA became law, nearly 90 percent of the gain in employment has been in full-time positions.”


But the president of an influential union that supports Obamacare said the White House is wrong.

"It IS happening," insisted Joseph Hansen, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers union, which has 1.2 million members. "Wait a year. You'll see tremendous impact as workers have their hours reduced and their incomes reduced. The facts are already starting to show up. Their statistics, I think, are a little behind the time."



MORE: http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news ... hours?lite

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Re: Obamacare

Postby Marie » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:42 pm

The Icy Commander wrote:Anyone see this ?
NBC NEWS investigations
Businesses claim Obamacare has forced them to cut employee hours

MORE: http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news ... hours?lite

LOL, that is such an OLD story. Months old, in fact. Nobody was FORCED to cut hours -- those jerks threatened to do it as a means of extortion.

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Obamacare

Postby Marie » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:47 pm

BrooklynBilly wrote:Um..... From today's IBD . . .

Um..... we don't all come out of our mothers knowing what IBD is -- as I'm sure you new, Billy -- so, real unhelpful as a reference.

Plus, you know, this:
An example of what the editors consider funny -- today's IBD editorial cartoon:

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
-David Goetzl: "Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick still brothers long after ESPN's 'Big Show'"; MediaPost blog, 4-6-2012


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Re: Obamacare

Postby BrooklynBilly » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:11 pm

proudliberal wrote:Billy, no one is refuting the so-called "points" because they're nothing more than right-wing propaganda. We're smart enough not to waste our time on that crap.

Again, nobody fooled!


They are not right wing propaganda they are facts. The dimwitted Nancy Pelosi and her equally dim ally Harry Reid put together an incomprehensible 2000 page disaster that no one seems to understand much less be able to implement. The administration seems to believe that by delaying the confusion until after the 2014 election they can still have a chance to get control of the House and keep the Senate.

I suggest you start reading unbiased sources of news you might learn something, this story has been all over the papers and internet news outlets, wake up.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby proudliberal » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:26 pm

BrooklynBilly wrote:
proudliberal wrote:Billy, no one is refuting the so-called "points" because they're nothing more than right-wing propaganda. We're smart enough not to waste our time on that crap.

Again, nobody fooled!


They are not right wing propaganda they are facts. The dimwitted Nancy Pelosi and her equally dim ally Harry Reid put together an incomprehensible 2000 page disaster that no one seems to understand much less be able to implement. The administration seems to believe that by delaying the confusion until after the 2014 election they can still have a chance to get control of the House and keep the Senate.

I suggest you start reading unbiased sources of news you might learn something, this story has been all over the papers and internet news outlets, wake up.


You first! :lol:
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Re: Obamacare

Postby Marie » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:00 am

BrooklynBilly wrote:I suggest you start reading unbiased sources of news . . .

Like this?--
An example of what the editors consider funny -- today's IBD editorial cartoon:

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Gonna have to address it, Billy. This is what you're pushing as "unbiased."

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You find out what someone is really like in "battle," and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, Patrick said. "On the air, we had each others' backs," said Olbermann.
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